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Shieldelf
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2008, 09:17:35 AM »

Non-finalized draft has this:

1. Meritocratic Isles shall not take offensive military action against Israel, nor shall Israel take offensive military action against Meritocratic Isles.
2. Israel shall not encourage other parties to be hostile towards Meritocratic Isles, nor shall Meritocratic Isles encourage other parties to be hostile towards Israel.
3. Meritocratic Isles shall inform Israel of plots of others to harm it if known to the Meritocratic Isles, and Israel shall inform Meritocratic Isles of plots of others to harm it if known to Israel.
4. Israel shall send WA Nations as defensive aid to Meritocratic Isles if it is invaded, and Meritocratic Isles shall send WA Nations as defensive aid to Israel if it is invaded.
5. Meritocratic Isles shall disclose the names of its alliance regions to Israel, and Israel shall disclose the names of any of its alliance regions to Israel.
6. There shall be an open shipping route in which goods from both regions can be cheaply and safely transported from one region to the other. It is up to individual nations to decide if they wish to use this trade route.

I will try to make it sound more offical, these are just the points that will be on it.
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2008, 11:36:31 AM »

In relation to this trade route who will police this, I can task a few patrols if Israel is willing to also cooperate and send out regular patrols we can build up a rapport that way military or even police working together. Just an idea.
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2008, 12:36:50 PM »

6. There shall be an open shipping route in which goods from both regions can be cheaply and safely transported from one region to the other. This route is to be patrolled by a joint task force of Israeli and Meritocratian warships. It is up to individual nations to decide if they wish to use this trade route.

I added the part about who guards the trade route.
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2008, 01:02:34 PM »

Looks fine to me I will begin rostering a patrol unit within the next few hours, can you also ask the Israelis if we are ok to patrol into their regional waters along the trade route or if this is off limits? Of, course we should also be inclined to think if we should allow them into our regional waters, over to you on that one Kadoshim. I am here to advise you if need be.
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2008, 01:46:05 PM »

I can mention that, but it won't be added to the treaty unless they say "yes".
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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2008, 02:10:08 PM »

The military related portions of the treaty should ensure that Israel will be no threat in our regional waters. As for communicating with Israel, I would contact Yew-topia. This leader can represent his region in possibly altering and finally agreeing upon the treaty.
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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2008, 07:28:31 PM »

Alright, so I will add that to the treaty.

7. Meritocratian warships are to be allowed in Israeli regional waters, and Israeli warships are to be allowed in Meritocratian regional waters.
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2008, 04:40:25 PM »

I PM'ed Yew-Topia this to see what he wanted changed:
1. Meritocratic Isles shall not take offensive military action against Israel, nor shall Israel take offensive military action against Meritocratic Isles.
2. Israel shall not encourage other parties to be hostile towards Meritocratic Isles, nor shall Meritocratic Isles encourage other parties to be hostile towards Israel.
3. Meritocratic Isles shall inform Israel of plots of others to harm it if known to the Meritocratic Isles, and Israel shall inform Meritocratic Isles of plots of others to harm it if known to Israel.
4. Israel shall send WA Nations as defensive aid to Meritocratic Isles if it is invaded, and Meritocratic Isles shall send WA Nations as defensive aid to Israel if it is invaded.
5. Meritocratic Isles shall disclose the names of its alliance regions to Israel, and Israel shall disclose the names of any of its alliance regions to Israel.
6. There shall be an open shipping route in which goods from both regions can be cheaply and safely transported from one region to the other. This route is to be patrolled by a joint task force of Israeli and Meritocratian warships. It is up to individual nations to decide if they wish to use this trade route.
7. Meritocratian warships are to be allowed in Israeli regional waters, and Israeli warships are to be allowed in Meritocratian regional waters.
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2008, 10:50:47 PM »

Im not 100% happy with warships being allowed free run in our waters, we need some kind of restraint on that. If they are they must give us prior warning and their intentions and also have an escort at all times be that on board their ships or one of our ships being tasked alongside them.
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2008, 02:32:49 PM »

I'll see what they say. So far I see to be being ignored by Israel.
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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2008, 02:00:03 PM »

I still have not recieved any replies. Looks like this isn't working out.
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2008, 02:12:19 PM »

There is no use in focusing all of our foreign relations on one, apparently inactive region. We must branch out to other regions anyways, and if Israel does finally reply we can put focus back onto them.
The good news is that at least we have a solid basis for a treaty with any other regional alliances we want to persue.
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2008, 02:18:24 PM »

Indeed we do. All that I have to do is change the names of the regions.
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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2008, 10:27:10 AM »

Ok, I got a reply:

Hello, Ambassador Shieldelf.
Welcome to Israel, and thank you very much for your patience.
I spoke to the founder of our region of Israel regarding the treaty between our nations. We would like to express the following:
We think that only the first 3 sections should appear in the official treaty. Section 4 should be phrased as "4. Israel shall positively consider to send WA Nations as defensive aid to Meritocratic Isles if it is invaded, and Meritocratic Isles shall positively consider to send WA Nations as defensive aid to Israel if it is invaded.".
We object to section 5-7.
Thank you very much and we are looking forward to a positive, long and prosperous relationship between our regions.
Sincerely,
Yew-topia

The treaty draft looked like this:
1. Meritocratic Isles shall not take offensive military action against Israel, nor shall Israel take offensive military action against Meritocratic Isles.
2. Israel shall not encourage other parties to be hostile towards Meritocratic Isles, nor shall Meritocratic Isles encourage other parties to be hostile towards Israel.
3. Meritocratic Isles shall inform Israel of plots of others to harm it if known to the Meritocratic Isles, and Israel shall inform Meritocratic Isles of plots of others to harm it if known to Israel.
4. Israel shall send WA Nations as defensive aid to Meritocratic Isles if it is invaded, and Meritocratic Isles shall send WA Nations as defensive aid to Israel if it is invaded.
5. Meritocratic Isles shall disclose the names of its alliance regions to Israel, and Israel shall disclose the names of any of its alliance regions to Israel.
6. There shall be an open shipping route in which goods from both regions can be cheaply and safely transported from one region to the other. This route is to be patrolled by a joint task force of Israeli and Meritocratian warships. It is up to individual nations to decide if they wish to use this trade route.
7. Meritocratian warships are to be allowed in Israeli regional waters, and Israeli warships are to be allowed in Meritocratian regional waters.

They want it like this:
1. Meritocratic Isles shall not take offensive military action against Israel, nor shall Israel take offensive military action against Meritocratic Isles.
2. Israel shall not encourage other parties to be hostile towards Meritocratic Isles, nor shall Meritocratic Isles encourage other parties to be hostile towards Israel.
3. Meritocratic Isles shall inform Israel of plots of others to harm it if known to the Meritocratic Isles, and Israel shall inform Meritocratic Isles of plots of others to harm it if known to Israel.
4. Israel shall positively consider to send WA Nations as defensive aid to Meritocratic Isles if it is invaded, and Meritocratic Isles shall positively consider to send WA Nations as defensive aid to Israel if it is invaded.
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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2008, 01:15:49 PM »

It is about time. Shieldelf, it looks like your patience payed off.
What do you think they mean by "positively consider?
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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2008, 05:15:42 PM »

In my opinion, they mean that they will think about sending help. The word positively really has no added benefit.
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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2008, 05:52:12 PM »

I guess that is okay. However I feel that number 6 should be included in the treaty, seeing how much it could help the economies of both regions.
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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2008, 07:02:16 PM »

Very well, I will ask them about this tomorrow, as I am busy right now.
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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2008, 09:09:06 AM »

Haven't heard from them in a while, I've given up.
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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2008, 12:00:31 PM »

It is perfectly alright. Not all diplomatic relationships will be successful. How is your relations with Pageland going?
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