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Question: How should income taxes be set up by a state?
No income tax - 0 (0%)
Equal income tax - 1 (33.3%)
Flat income tax rate - 1 (33.3%)
Curved income tax rate - 1 (33.3%)
Other, please specify in your post - 0 (0%)
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Kadoshim
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« on: November 02, 2008, 01:39:03 PM »

Income taxes are a highly debated issue in many countries, including the United States. It is the main source of revenue for many of the governments of the world.
Should there be an income tax? Should the poor and rich be taxed the same amount? Should the poor and rich be taxed at the same rate?
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Shieldelf
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 07:47:06 PM »

Personally, I'm really to young for taxes, so I really don't know, but I don't think rich people should get all those tax breaks...
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King Chester
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 08:58:41 PM »

WE, personally, support the idea of a flat-tax-rate-percentage for all citizens.

Imagine two persons.
Person A has an income of :         $50,000.oo
Person B has an income of :   $5,000,000.oo

At a 20 percent tax rate,
Person A will pay   $10,000.oo in income tax,
Person B will pay $100,000.oo in income tax.

An increased tax rate for higher wage earners means that persons will be discouraged from buying and running there own businesses.  Established businesses may be forced to lay off some people and increase workloads on the persons that they retain.  Why should anyone attempt to earn more money if it's going to be taken away from them because they worked harder?
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Kadoshim
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 06:13:08 PM »

Your Majesty, your point on limiting the curve on income taxes is valid. It is unwise to tax the wealthy to such an extent that they feel their work is no longer paying off.
In contrast with this ethical issue regarding fairness and rewards for hard work, there is also an ethical problem with taxing the extremely rich and the extremely poor equal percentages of their income.
In the case of someone in poverty whose income can go entirely towards food, water, and shelter, taxing ten percent of their income can literally result in death or disable them to a point where they can no longer contribute to the economy. Taxing ten percent of the income of someone extremely wealthy on the other hand will not deprive the person of the basic things they need to survive.
With these two considerations in mind, a government must set up a curved income tax rate in a way that best balances the rights of the wealthy and the poor.
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King Chester
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 05:09:20 PM »

WE feel that the flat-rate tax should be the same rate for all citizens.
Lower income citizens may avail themselves of local aid and help, both
those insituted by local government programs and charitable programs.
Taxation by a central government is wasted on levels of bureaucracy.

The function of a national government ought to entail:  1.  The National
Defense.  2.  International Trade Relations.  3.  A Justice System.  4.
Safety Standards in Employment.

Everything else that a national government does, it does at the expense
of it's citizen's human rights and freedoms.
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King Chester
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 07:33:40 PM »

Also, where does the responsibility of family belong in aiding
the poor, elderly and sick?

Has government become a prefered substitute to family?  Have
families become so callous and uncaring?  If so, has the
government created this monsterous sloth, because they have
made it easier to shirk the obligations of family?
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Kadoshim
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 12:15:53 PM »

WE feel that the flat-rate tax should be the same rate for all citizens.
Lower income citizens may avail themselves of local aid and help, both
those instituted by local government programs and charitable programs.
Taxation by a central government is wasted on levels of bureaucracy.
You mentioned in an earlier argument that having a sharply curved income tax rate would hinder the motivation of people to acquire wealth, and therefore power the economy. I accept this as true and believe that the same principle should apply to local aid and help towards the poor.
While charity is a beautiful thing, a lower income tax for the poor will motivate them to provide for themselves by using the money they earn and save. This both powers the economy and shrinks the need for costly government welfare programs.
As for the importance of family, I consider myself extremely blessed to have a loving, successful family, but recognize that not everyone is given this gift. The government must look out for its citizens that do not have families able to aid them as well, with the hope in mind that someday these citizens will be able to support a family of their own.
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King Chester
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 10:34:35 PM »

Do not lower tax rates say to the poor, "you are weak and cannot survive without government" and, "don't worry that you are poor, the government will become like your parent'?  How crushing to their self-esteem!

Another thing about flat tax rates for higher income earners, usually the more money they make then the more charity they give.  This charity is more direct, since it avoids governmental bureaucracy.

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2008, 02:29:47 PM »

Would a curved tax rate not work well if there is concessions to those that carry out charity work.  Thus encouraging those with more to become philantoripists (if this means those that collect stamps, apologies i can never remember which is which  Grin) and put something back into society?
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